You Don’t Need Millions to Start Building Wealth

There’s a mindset that’s been quietly sabotaging far too many brilliant people—and it’s this:

“Once I have more money, I’ll start building wealth.”

That belief is not just untrue—it’s actively delaying your abundance.

On a recent episode of The Amanda Kaufman Show, we explored this idea in depth. We broke down the myths, the real definition of wealth, and how to get started now—before you feel "ready" or “rich enough.”

If you’ve ever looked at your bank account and thought, “Well, maybe next year,” this is for you.

The Most Damaging Wealth Myth

We’re told—directly or indirectly—that wealth is for “other people.” That to invest, to build, to protect your future, you need:

• Six figures in savings
  
  

• A trust fund
  
  

• A thriving, automated business
  
  

• A full-time financial team
  
  

But the truth?

You don’t need millions to start building wealth.

Waiting until you feel wealthy to begin acting like a wealth builder is like saying, “I’ll go to the gym once I’m fit enough to be an Olympian.”

It sounds ridiculous when we say it like that—but it’s what so many of us believe about money.

The reality is: wealth doesn’t show up fully formed. It’s built step by step.

Most Millionaires Didn’t Start Rich

Let’s talk stats for a second—because they matter.

📊 75% of millionaires in the U.S. are self-made.

That means the majority of wealthy people didn’t inherit it.
They didn’t get lucky.
They weren’t born into it.

They built it.

They made intentional decisions to learn, grow, invest, and act before they felt ready.

So if you’ve believed that you’re behind because you didn’t come from wealth, it’s time to rewrite that narrative. You are not behind—you’re simply at the beginning. And that’s a powerful place to be.

What Wealth Really Means (It’s Not What You Think)

Too often, we reduce wealth to numbers.

But true wealth is far more than a high income or a fancy portfolio.

Wealth is having the resources, relationships, and freedom to live life on your terms.

It’s being able to:

• Take time off when you need it, without financial stress
  
  

• Work with people you want to work with—not just those you have to
  
  

• Choose where you live, how you spend your time, and who you share it with
  
  

• Say “no” to toxic relationships, and “yes” to your own boundaries and well-being
  
  

Wealth isn’t just money. It’s choice.

And the good news?
That kind of wealth starts the moment you decide to build it.

The Problem with Waiting

We often convince ourselves that putting off financial growth is logical. That it’s responsible to wait until we’re more stable.

But here’s the catch:

Doing nothing now just delays the outcome you actually want.

And in many cases, that delay becomes permanent.

The people who build wealth aren’t the ones with perfect circumstances. They’re the ones who start where they are, with what they have.

Waiting keeps you stuck in cycles. Starting—however small—creates momentum. And momentum compounds.

Scarcity Mindset Keeps You Isolated

There’s another piece to this that’s rarely discussed in wealth-building conversations: community.

You might think building wealth is all strategy and numbers, but connection plays a massive role.

Here’s why:
When you’re stuck in scarcity, you can’t connect. Every relationship becomes transactional. You’re constantly in “pitch” mode. It’s hard to collaborate or build genuine trust when your survival instincts are firing.

But when you start making even small financial shifts, your energy changes.
You’re no longer chasing.
You’re creating.
And from that space, you start meeting people who open doors, offer guidance, and expand your vision.

Wealth isn’t built in isolation.
It grows faster when you’re surrounded by others doing the same.

No Silver Bullets—Just Smart, Aligned Moves

If you’ve ever been tempted to buy into the “get rich quick” promise, you’re not alone.

We’ve all been there. The shiny offer. The one-click fix. The seven-figure funnel blueprint.

But the truth is—and always has been—there’s no shortcut to aligned, sustainable wealth.

What works is:

• Getting clear on what wealth means to you
  
  

• Taking intentional action that reflects your values
  
  

• Focusing on progress, not perfection
  
  

• Investing time in relationships, learning, and systems that support your goals
  
  

The most powerful wealth builders aren’t always the loudest in the room. But they are the most consistent.

Your First Step Starts Now

You don’t have to overhaul your life. You don’t have to have it all figured out.

You just need to ask:

What’s the smallest action I can take today that brings me closer to financial freedom?

That might look like:

• Finally setting up that savings account
  
  

• Reading one article about investing
  
  

• Creating a money date with yourself every Friday
  
  

• Having an honest conversation about your goals
  
  

• Saying “no” to a low-aligned client
  
  

Whatever your next step is, take it.

Because the longer you wait, the longer you delay the life you say you want.

Final Thoughts

Wealth isn’t just for people who grew up with it.

It’s for the woman working two jobs who’s ready for more.
It’s for the coach who’s done undercharging.
It’s for the creator tired of chasing “enough.”
It’s for you.

You don’t need millions to start building wealth. You just need to start.

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Share it. Talk about it.
Because that’s how wealth starts too.

Chapters List

00:00 Introduction to Wealth Coaching and Nat Bullen

02:18 Understanding Wealth Misconceptions

04:38 Personal Experiences with Poverty and Wealth

08:39 Defining Wealth Beyond Money

11:45 The Importance of Community and Connections

14:43 Wealth Expansion Through Genuine Relationships

19:00 Scarcity Mindset vs. Abundance Mindset

22:55 Final Thoughts and Resources

Full Transcript

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (00:00)

I can't tell if it's a defense mechanism or if it's just really good marketing but you absolutely don't have to be rich to get rich. That would kind of defeat the purpose.

Amanda Kaufman (00:26)

Well, hello and welcome back to the Amanda Kaufman and I am joined by Nat Bowen and I'm so excited because I kind of fell I will call it kind of a social media vortex. There was like this really cool thing that happened. I'll let Nat tell you about it, it led me to wondering why did I not know this gal before that And I fell in love with her content after.

And so, know, Nat Bullin is a absolute gun at wealth, shifting your Welcome to the show. I'm so glad that you're here.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (01:05)

I'm happy to be here. You know, the vortex has been interesting, but I'm around.

Amanda Kaufman (01:13)

love it. Well, you know, and have read so many of your social followed some of your live streams. You strike me as being such down to earth educator and somebody who genuinely wants like good things for good people. So it's such a pleasure to have you So Nat, why don't you just like take 30 seconds and catch us up a bit on what exactly it is that you and how you help people these days.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (01:39)

I can do that. So after years of being in direct sales and being in banking, I decided to strike out and be a coach. And I have gone from helping people budget and save to helping people make a lot of money.

Amanda Kaufman (01:40)

Yeah.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (01:54)

and returning back to my roots of helping people with high revenue businesses actually create personal and generational wealth. I believe that having a business serves to create a wealth portfolio for you and to give you the money to have the options to live the life that you want. So not just a job. And I feel really great that I'm able to help elevate people. We do that through high level community. We do that through private coaching and we do that through short term.

I guess you could say sprints that allow you to achieve a really specific goal and then kind of hop to the next thing. So it's pretty fun.

Amanda Kaufman (02:28)

I love it.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think what's always really struck me about as I've been one of your is that you are really down to earth. You clearly care a and you're also not afraid to express your And I just had to ask your opinion about In your opinion, what do we all get wrong about wealth?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (02:45)

Hahaha!

that it takes a lot of money to get started.

Amanda Kaufman (02:54)

Ooh, say more about that, what's that mean?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (02:57)

Everyone gets that wrong. People think they need tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, even a million dollars to even start investing that they don't need life insurance until they're a multimillionaire or that they don't need umbrella insurance until they're the Rockefellers that they can't buy a business until their first business has made a hundred million dollars that until they're like Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates that there's nothing they can do. People are very extreme in their pursuit.

of wealth and it's strange because if you look at some other lofty goal like say fitness say you wanted to be an Olympian you'll never hear someone say I can't go to the gym today because I'm not fit enough to be an Olympian

Right? Like you'll

Amanda Kaufman (03:39)

That's true!

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (03:39)

never hear that. People will never say, I'm not fit or athletic enough to go to the gym. People understand that they're going to the gym to help achieve that goal. Wealth is that thing that we've kind of put on the shelf is like for someone else. Like off in the future in, in the, in the times.

Amanda Kaufman (03:54)

Hmm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (03:58)

I can't quantify yet. I'll invest in the stock market. I'll buy life insurance. I'll blank, blank, blank. And it's like, there's so much you could do right now. And in fact, doing nothing just pushes that hypothetical future date out to where it probably won't happen. And I think that's because we think that millionaires are heirs. We mistakenly think that multimillionaires inherited wealth. Three out of four millionaires are self-made.

Amanda Kaufman (04:07)

And.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (04:26)

meaning they made that money themselves from their own investments or their own business. So the belief that your parents have to be rich for you to be rich is flawed. And I can't tell if it's a defense mechanism or if it's just really good marketing by the upper class, but you absolutely don't have to be rich to get rich. That would kind of defeat the purpose.

Amanda Kaufman (04:45)

I love this so much, and I am really curious. You're clearly so passionate on this. Why do you care so much? know, like what's driving you?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (04:51)

Yeah.

Amanda Kaufman (04:57)

to and to share these messages and to take so much time to focus on this. You're clearly very intelligent. You could work anywhere. You know, like, why this?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (05:07)

Thank you. I'm like, I don't feel that way. I live in Huntsville, Alabama. It's a STEM city. NASA is here. So if you don't have a STEM degree, you're going to make $40,000 a year at Target. So unfortunately, my lived experience is not that I could have a job anywhere. And maybe that's part of what makes me so like dogged about this, right?

I think on a personal level, I know what it's like to be broke. I know what it's like to be really smart and work two, three jobs. I know what it's like to wait tables and make $2.13 an hour and do everything right and still end up filing bankruptcy. I know what it's like to sleep on a friend's couch because of a bad relationship. Like it sucks. And it's not because I wasn't financially literate. It's because I was low income. Like poverty is a curse.

Amanda Kaufman (05:40)

And. ⁓

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (05:52)

full stop. It's not a positive thing for anyone to experience, yet so many people experience it. And I live in the second poorest state in the country. Alabama is not affluent at all. And so I'm so accustomed to seeing what happens when we decide or live. I can't have enough money. I can't make good decisions. And I felt like as an entrepreneur, I shouldn't have that.

Amanda Kaufman (06:13)

And.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (06:14)

As an entrepreneur,

I deserve to be able to choose my own clients and choose my own prices. And if that's true, if I'm choosing these things, I chose the name, the model, the branding, the website, all of it, then if the money's not there, then there's some choice I made that encouraged that, right? And if that's true, then I could choose something else.

Amanda Kaufman (06:23)

Okay.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (06:34)

And I think that that's something that gets completely lost in the online space. We seem to approach it like when we worked a job as though we're in some type of caste system that we can't break out of. I want to be the next Mark Cuban

really, really rich because they had a good idea. And I hate to see people not live up to their wealth potential, which

hurts us because the system is set up to keep marginalized people marginalized. It is set up to oppress a certain type of person. And as a woman who is black, I'm all of the types of people that this system is set up to oppress. But when I worked at Wells Fargo,

I got tapped on the shoulder by a mentor who encouraged me to go into private banking. She told me I was smart enough to pass the test. And that's why I got the promotion because they thought I could pass the licensing. And I did. I passed all of the tests on my first try and I became a licensed banker. I became a person who could sell securities, a stockbroker, if you will. And not very many black people, especially in their thirties, do that. That number is miniscule. I've had...

Amanda Kaufman (07:21)

.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (07:40)

able to get in rooms where people talk freely about money.

because they didn't realize I was there. Their racism

made me invisible. And so now I know exactly how you build wealth brick by brick. Wouldn't it be a shame for me to not share that information? I feel as though God put me in these rooms. He put me in that position. He put everything in my life that has happened to me to set me on the trajectory to do this for people. I get to be the reason that people decide that being middle-class isn't good enough anymore.

Amanda Kaufman (08:11)

⁓

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (08:12)

So

I don't think I really chose it. I feel like it was put upon me and I was just obedient.

Amanda Kaufman (08:19)

That is so what came up for me was there's always a first. There's a first in your family. There's a first in your community. There's always a first. And it's not usually a very celebrated spot to be in, especially if you don't look the part, And and I love this. This is so powerful.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (08:26)

Yeah.

Wow.

Not really.

Amanda Kaufman (08:42)

When we were getting ready to do this episode, you shared with me that money is way more than buying the stocks. It's way more the spreadsheets and the things that can kind of intimidate people from even getting started with And I was just so curious, now where you are as an entrepreneur, having achieved the level of success you have so how would you define wealth?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (09:05)

think wealth is having the ecosystem and the environment and the resources to live the life of your choosing.

Amanda Kaufman (09:15)

Mmm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (09:16)

That's

what I think. So I don't think it's just money. I think it's having money, sure, but it's also having opportunities. It's having options. It's having friendship and relationship. It's having connectedness. It's having joy and leisure and hobbies that make your life whole. When I was broke,

I had none of those things. I worked three jobs and I was in college. I went to class and then I went to job number one and then I drove from job number one to number two. I went back to my dorm. I did a little work and then I worked overnight at job number three and then I woke up and did it all over again. I didn't have the choice to eat better food. ate what they let me get 50 % off at Cracker Barrel. I didn't have the choice to make better friends or go to a better school. That's what I had. And now being able to wake up and say, I don't like how this person treats me.

I'm not going to be friends with them anymore. And I am going to invest the time to make new friends instead of being stuck at a dead end job where you have to be friends with these colleagues that you don't even like. Right. Or being able to say, you know what? It's stressful where I am in a red state where they're picking in and, and, and got signs up in front of the Planned Parenthood. And I don't want see that. You know what? Let me fly to the UK for a week.

Amanda Kaufman (10:14)

you

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (10:30)

Let me go somewhere and chill out. That's not something I've ever had the option. So it's, it's having the opportunities to do what you want. think if wealth only

means something financial to you, you've missed, you've missed the bit because there's so much more that's powerful, especially in our relationships. You know, it's, it's an adage that I agree with. I was taught if you want a promotion, go back to college, but

Our peers, our non-millennate peers are taught, you want a promotion? Cozy up to the boss. Make some relationships, right? Go to the golf course.

Amanda Kaufman (11:01)

⁓ huh.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (11:07)

We've

never been taught that. And so I feel like now is an opportunity for women, especially women of color to say, you know what, I'm going to be more connected in this season to people who are going where I'm going. People with high IQ and high EQ. So we're not the smartest person or the best connected person or the best dressed person in the room. The person someone's always looking to as a safety net. I now have a community of safety nets. I mean, we're basically Cirque du Soleil. I mean, it's just nets on top of

Amanda Kaufman (11:08)

Okay.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (11:37)

I mean if I fall off my little tricycle a lot of people gonna hop out the clown car to come get me and I haven't always had that and that has made me feel truly wealthy lately.

Amanda Kaufman (11:49)

my How did you figure out that it was that would activate that next level? Like I love your clown car analogy, but it's.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (11:57)

I don't know that I figured it

out. I think other people figured it out for me. But okay, here's what the listeners don't know. I'm an introvert.

And I have one relationship skill in my top 15 CliftonStrengths. I mean, it is horrible. One, come on, that's not fair. That's not fair. And so, you know, I think...

And I'll admit, I was bullied in middle school. I was ostracized for being too brainy, a know-it-all, a goody two-shoe, was a virgin a really long time. just definitely wasn't a cool kid. I chubby, had glasses and braces. My mom was a teacher. Oh my God. Like literally everything that socially could harm you, I had going for me. And I didn't trust people.

Amanda Kaufman (12:42)

.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (12:43)

I went into my twenties, a very

skeptical human being that was hyper independent and felt like if you wanted something done right, you do it yourself. But I've learned that we are all interdependent and there's, I can't know everything. I just can't, it's not in my capacity. I used to want to be a genius. I would dream of being inducted into Mensa. I was going to be one of those people who wore their pin everywhere. People were going to know I was a genius. And I recognize that I actually don't have the capacity to be a genius from an IQ.

Amanda Kaufman (13:07)

.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (13:12)

standpoint, but I do have the skill to be able to galvanize people towards a mission and make people listen to me. So I say, you know what, what would happen if I tried to build some community, right? And let people naturally find me. And to answer your question directly, I got to come up. Someone actually gave me advice

because I was at a workshop.

that I wasn't going to go to, but I went to for the connections. And this person was able to partner me with a loan officer who was able to get me funding cleared in seven to 10 days. And that funding allowed me to take a fully funded sabbatical without having to touch my cash cushion. And I never would have known about it had I not been in community with this specific person at that time, at that event that I didn't want to go to because I was an introvert.

Amanda Kaufman (14:01)

Mm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (14:02)

And that's when

it dawned on me that you don't know where the connection is or what the tip or the tool or the introduction is going to be. But if you are trying to do everything by yourself, you will work harder. And I decided I really didn't want that anymore. So I'm open to the idea of people being willing to help me. And I'm open to the idea that other people know maybe not more than me, but different things than I do. And that collectively we are much smarter as a unit than I could ever be by

myself.

Amanda Kaufman (14:32)

Gosh, I love this wisdom, know, especially when we're drawn to doing entrepreneurship, very often there's this rebel streak, you know, and we want to break from the crowd and we want do our thing and we want to be And, you know, you're speaking and I'm like, it is so parallel. Some of my own experiences, same thing. Like, I want to be recognized as being the smartest pituitary in the room. I want to be recognized for

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (14:53)

Yeah.

Amanda Kaufman (14:59)

There's value, of course, in intelligence and in knowledge, that's not the full it. That's not the whole thing. And I love your realization of just realizing so much magic happens when you get into a room, and then you start learning how to get into the right room. Can you talk to me a little bit about wealth expansion through connection? Because something I've my communities, and just sort of in general,

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (15:06)

Yeah. Right.

Amanda Kaufman (15:28)

is it feels a lot like people are straight for the what can I sell you or what can you do for kind of relationships. my experience, and please, correct me if you have a different point of view, but my experience is that the best relationships are a little more tangential than They tend to happen more naturally. Like I said, I've been watching your content forever I agree with a lot of what you say.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (15:35)

Right? Right.

Amanda Kaufman (15:53)

And I disagree with some of the things you say, but I keep paying attention to what you're saying because, you know, like this is something who pays attention. So it's like, okay, when there was an opportunity for us to do a podcast, I was like, yeah. But it was very like kind of this tangential way into the deepening of the What are your thoughts?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (16:11)

Thank you for that. one, when we are in scarcity, we actually cannot connect to people in the way that you have described. And most people are in scarcity. So if your bills are not paid, if you don't know how you're going to get dinner on the table, if your kids are running amok and their needs are not met, then you cannot genuinely connect with me. You have to treat me like a prospect.

Cause you have to close the sale today. So number one is getting out of environments where people are in scarcity. I actually don't do deals with people who are in financial duress. I don't sell to people in financial duress. I don't join free Facebook groups full of bargain shoppers. don't, I don't go in Facebook groups where they allow any kind of selling because you get this kind of flea market mentality where everybody's trying to sell. Nobody's trying to buy and it's dog eat dog. So one is

Amanda Kaufman (16:37)

you

So,

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (17:04)

As you become more financially secure, get around other people who are as well. Now, scarcity minded and broke don't have to go together. I know wealthy people who have scarcity mindsets, right? And when I was broke, I had the beginnings of a wealth mindset. I knew I was destined for more. I just didn't have a physical manifestation of it yet. But scarcity mindset is what drives that.

Amanda Kaufman (17:14)

Mmm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (17:25)

that linear path that you're talking about, that I met you on Monday, now I got to DM you on Tuesday and sell you something on Wednesday. That's all they can afford to do. They can't afford to let this naturally develop. They need your money right now. So that's one is assessing where is the wealth mindset of the person that I'm looking to engage with. I think two, there's a lot of workaholic tendency in the United States in general. And so it's hard for people to...

except something that can't be quantified. It's, difficult for people to say at some point in the future, Nebulas,

Amanda Kaufman (18:00)

So,

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (18:01)

you may be able to give me a resource possible that could get me an outcome.

Amanda Kaufman (18:03)

Okay.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (18:07)

Maybe that doesn't feel like a strong enough value proposition to people. People want to be able to put a label. I met with Amanda. Amanda put me on her podcast. I talked about my program. Someone listened to the podcast. Someone gave me money. got an ROI. If people can't make that kind of connection, they say it didn't work. And three,

we,

The United States is the most individualistic country in the world. There's data and statistics on that. And so most people tend to tell themselves they're lone wolves, that they don't need anybody. They don't need a man. They don't need any friends. And so they actually don't have the emotional capacity to allow you to be anything other than a lead.

that actually don't possess the capacity to even let

Amanda Kaufman (18:52)

That's our webinar.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (18:55)

you be friends with them. Like their defense mechanism is up. What I have decided is to be around people who have nothing to gain.

Right? If we end up being cool, great. If not, it was nice to meet you, right? If we agree, wonderful. If we don't, no problem. If you want to come on my podcast, I'd love it. If you don't, it's no worries. Like those are the kinds of people that I find. And see, I make a lot more money being indirect. I could have spent all of this time talking about my programs and name drop them and put URLs and I could be quietly qualifying your list. Trust me, I'm a salesperson by trade. I know how to sell my shit.

without anybody knowing that that's what I was doing. But I actually made way more money just being myself and letting people come to the conclusion that they would like to enter into my spaces and do their own investigation. And they decide they want to work with me. I actually make way more money by allowing people to use their own agency than me trying to trick and trap. So I

Amanda Kaufman (19:53)

I love this.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (19:55)

really don't run into the whole.

people trying to sell me immediately problem very much anymore because everyone knows like, like I'm not rich. I'll be the first to admit that, but I'm okay. Like we're fine. So you can't really approach me with desperate energy and it work. You know, and folks are like, Hey, let's get on a coffee chat tomorrow. I can tell you about my offer and I have a retreat and I'm like, yeah, I don't really travel, but have a good time. People kind of just have to accept that. Like you train people how to treat you. And I think I've just trained people that like you

Amanda Kaufman (20:11)

Mm hmm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (20:27)

you cannot coerce or push or fake urgency me into some relationship. And I think being, you know, remnants of my skeptical bullied self has helped me to a degree because I look at folks and I'm like, what are you trying to gain here?

And if I can't figure out your motive, I'll give myself some distance,

Amanda Kaufman (20:44)

So.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (20:46)

kind of do what you did, watch and wait. But the short answer is most people deal in scarcity. They think there's not enough resources in the world, so they don't give the universe or God time to actually work on things in a natural way. They feel like they have to force or convince or create an opportunity in some way in order for them to get an ROI, which is unfortunate.

Amanda Kaufman (21:09)

Totally, it's like they're trying to make the plant grow by

dumping as much fertilizer as possible on it and it turns out that that's just a big pile of shit. anyway. You smother it and it dies, yeah.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (21:17)

and watching it and watering it. Right. And you smother it and it dies. Right. And like the plot's

going to grow. The plant's going to grow at the rate that the plant is going to grow. If you need the plant to grow faster, then you either need to buy a different plant that's a little more mature. Right. Or you need to like change your outcome. Why do you need the plant to grow so fast? So what happens? OK, well, whatever that is, is there anything else that could make that thing happen? Because making the plant grow faster is not.

a choice, but again, the online microwave marketing system says that you can badger people into paying you. Like it's just, it's bad. There are people who benefit from certain people believing that they can force connections faster. And the people who benefit from that rhetoric are well paid.

Amanda Kaufman (22:02)

Mm-hmm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (22:06)

and they don't want to lose out on their money and admit that it's not true. And there's always a crop of new business owners who don't know any better who will buy into that rhetoric. ⁓

Amanda Kaufman (22:17)

dream that people buy and that's you know, until you become wiser.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (22:21)

Well,

this is why me and you are so successful. We're cynical. We know that there is no shortcut. So we're not looking for one. But when you're naive, you think there's a shortcut. You think that the people making big money have figured out something you haven't. So you're what you buy into.

Amanda Kaufman (22:29)

Mm-hmm.

Holy, and I'm the first person to admit

I purchased every silver bullet program there is out there because I still hung on to that scarcity, that idea, you know?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (22:43)

You're so smart. I'm an idiot.

I bought the hard stuff. I didn't buy the silver bullet. bought the marketing is a drag. Join my two year, whatever, whatever to build it brick by brick. Like I bought the opposite of the silver bullet. I bought like the, here's the long drawn out, very complex way that you're going to have the system of your dreams in, you know, 18 to 24 months. And like six months in, I was just like, man,

I really wish I had some of my money back or like a result or something. Is there not like any like short win in this program? They're like, no, this is a long-term important program. I'm like, damn, maybe I should have bought the silver bullet. So I think at least you got the dopamine hit you were looking for. I was just dumb.

Amanda Kaufman (23:26)

I was gonna say,

I feel like there's a sweet spot somewhere in between, right?

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (23:30)

There's a sweet spot. Yeah. I

bought the biggest, expensive, most expansive, longest duration program that was marketed. I get it like the long, like the 10 year long program and you're just like, well, I guess this is it. I guess this is my life for the next two years. Maybe I missed college. I don't know.

Amanda Kaufman (23:40)

Bye bye.

I think there's a lot of ways to self-fund an MBA, especially in the online space. It's crazy, crazy town.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (23:56)

⁓ I don't let people,

I don't let people, go to college anymore. When people ask me about my MBA, I send them this book called the personal MBA is 12.99 on Amazon. And it literally is everything I learned when I got my MBA. So I tell people flat out, do not get an MBA. Let me send you this book instead. And you know, they never read it. When you send people a book on Amazon, you get notified when they actually open it, maybe 10%.

Amanda Kaufman (24:21)

Mmm.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (24:22)

actually open the book.

Amanda Kaufman (24:23)

Well therein lies a big wealth opportunity for a lot of folks I So, so now I'm just like what's the best way for people to follow hear more about what you're up to and all those good things.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (24:36)

They should follow me on Facebook. Facebook is my jam. I'm an elder millennial, okay? I'm riding with Zuckerberg to the wheels fall off for good or bad. And so that's where I live. Amanda has the URL, cause you know, they don't really have like handles on Facebook. I'm just going to warn you right now that I post like a mad woman. Okay? Yes, I write all the posts. No, I don't use AI. No, I'm not looking for a social media manager.

No, I don't care if you think I post too much. Okay. That's my sanctuary. It's my watering hole. And I love that people can come and sip from it as needed and then go back out into the safari and live their life and kill their prey. Okay. I only sold to be the watering hole. That's it. That's, that's it. So just get what you need and tip toe off. But it's one of the best Facebook pages. It is motivational and interesting. It is a safe space. You can comment.

I considering I have no social media formal training. I think it's badass

Amanda Kaufman (25:35)

It is I can't vouch for it enough. It's been an absolute pleasure getting to follow you and so exciting to have you here on the show as well. And dear please.

go ahead and smash that subscribe button so you don't miss another episode. And hey, if this spoke to you, which I sincerely think it must have, if you're still here, grab the link to the episode and send it to three of your friends. can just shoot it in a DM, send it in a text message, but let them hear about this more expanded view of how to build wealth and let them make their own decisions about it. mean, that's such an abundant way to look at And you know what, hey.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (26:01)

Mmm.

Yeah.

Amanda Kaufman (26:15)

if you could take five seconds and actually review the podcast. That's just the biggest gift that you can give us because it helps people to decide what to listen Awesome. Nat, thank you so much for joining us on the show.

Nat Bullen, Wealth Coach (26:29)

You're welcome. Thank you.

Amanda Kaufman (26:31)

And listener, thanks for tuning in. We will catch you on a future